a beginning of an awesome adventure!

a beginning of an awesome adventure!

Sunday, August 5, 2007


Gregs said...

Dear Shah,

In this posting of yours, I am assuming that you are accusing me of being a hypocrite. Let my have my say on this.

First of all, to refresh your memory, I'd like to say that while I encouraged postings to be those of relevant kind, I did not make it a must to do so as the very foundation of this blog is based on the right of self expression. I do not police this blog and specifically do not remove any post which is not to my or anybody else's taste, so long as basic blogging ethics are adhered to.

I have to admit that I do not read your blog regularly and therefore did not know about your article on Islam and homosexual until a couple of days ago.

I think that I should let you know that although there were calls from certain quarters for me to remove the link from this blog to yours, I refused to do so because I believe in your right to state your opinion on certain issues, and that you have done it within the boundaries of blogging ethics. Whether I agree with your point of view (regarding Islam & homosexual) or not is irrelevant.

My refusal to remove the link proved to be unpopular to some but I have to be fair and consistent with what we all (The Tigers) agreed on how this blog should be handled.

Obviously vivacious disagree with you on this particular issue but I fail to see which part of her posting is considered anti-Islam or that it violates any blogging ethics. If you feel that her views are flawed and distorted, you are more than welcome to rebuke her point by point.

This blog encourages healthy debate but the debate should stick to the issues and personal attacks should be avoided at all costs.

If the both of you wishes otherwise, I suggest doing it at some other places, but not on this blog.

This blog is meant to foster friendship, not to destroy it.


shah & drew said...

You said it better than I did, Greg.

All I'm saying is that TTDI Tigers consists of different groups of people. Be considerate of other people's feelings lah.

You guys know I'm a Muslim, so didn't it occur to you that I'd be just as offended as Yudhis?

Where did I get the idea that vivacious was against Islam? From my blog. With that I apologise if I brought some of my emotions from my blog to here.

You can write a post asking about Islam what you don't understand. I'm fine with that. But when you straight away post a link to a video of a woman who obviously hates Islam without YOU stating your own views, of course I would automatically think that you agree with her.

If vivacious wanted to ramble on about issues she has with Islam on HER BLOG, then go ahead. She has the right to do so.

I'm not attacking Che because he wrote it on his blog and not here.

I didn't write about my views on homosexuality on this blog because I knew that one of us was gay.

About the call to remove my link, thanks a lot Greg for not doing so.

However, since I believe in fair democracy, if the majority feels that I should be excluded from this group, then so be it.

If you want to exclude me just because I have my own views and was thoughtful/mindful/considerate enough to not post them here for fear of hurting your feelings, then go ahead and exclude me.

p/s: the usage of the word "you" does not necessarily mean the reader.

howsurmother? said...

come on kids..be cheer and merry..
yammmmm seng!!!

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V|vac|ous said...

Hello Darlings,

This morning I got a call from Julian saying dont check blog first thing in the morning when i was curled up in my den. Immediately I knew why. But I wasnt at all upset. Because :

a) I didnt give my pendapat.So the post is valid. Im stressing here PENDAPAT. I merely said to everyone I found something v logical. So I didnt say anything. So its you Shah that I think hv some complex that you had to post a post instead of a comment and its you that is starting it.If you post something people are bound to disagree with you so if you cant handle it disable comments ler.Do not wash your dirty linen in public. I do hope you will finish what you started. Like we are all blind or something in big font summore.

b) My best friend in the whole wide world is a Muslim. Don’t you think that before I say anything i would want to jeopardise 10+ yrs of friendship? The thing is Shah you don’t know me. If you ask anyone who knows me they wld tell u that I have one of the most diverse group of friends. But I don’t need to justify anything to you. Especially when u want to judge someone who is gay. I do take that personally as I have gay friends n they are one of the nicest people on earth.

c) Hellooo I like live in the UK, Scotland. Glasgow was under attack few months ago. And during the London Bombings I flew out 2 days after that. You think It doesn’t concern me THINK AGAIN. My job involves travel in and out of Airports. So if Nik can post about a bridge = concerning his life if he lived in NYC, he cant post abt 9-11 ke because you might say oh dont attack me?

d) Btw Shah Im not opposed against Islam. I think its you that cant differentiate btw the ISSUE AND THE PERSON= religious ties. Its the issue that YOU had against homos. NOT YOUR RELIGION. And btw the homo thing was not even brought here in the tiger blog you started it.

This has always been my motto. Always the ISSUE not the PERSON. Shhheesh I have been living this since school days. Even during my uni days when i took behavioral i was commended on tackling case studies by using the words issue not the person. The issue is terrorism. Not you Shah not Islam. Faham cik abang

c) Following last times forum, it was agreed that we can post anything. Its up to people to comment or not or love it or hate it. I did not give any warning about Yuddish. So please check facts. Go attack the Gwen Stefani poster then.

Shah, I am a Libran and true to that a peace loving person. I am not happy that you have taken a personal argument on me when I just posted a link. I didn’t not SAY or give my ten pounds worth of comments.I really dont like conflict amongst friends there is too much going on.

In fact I was just telling Eugene what a good photographer your brother was and I wld use him if Daddy and I kawin someday.So if im that out rightly prejudice do u think I wld say that abt a Muslim photographer? THINK SHAH. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO THINK and question.

It is you that has taken it personally I dont know maybe truth hurts? I don’t know.

So you have got it all wrong my dear. Islam is a religion of peace. All religions are good and ask us to live in peace and harmony. But also we must be like blind sheep we have a brain and a mind and we can question and seek things.

d) Also yeah Shah, Che is the one that posted it in his blog. If you wanted to say something why dont you comment on his blog at the COMMENTS page. Che also disagreed with you abt homos right. So is this what religion teaches you attack the wrong person?

No im not going to say that coz I have nothing against it but its YOU that has made a wrong call here so go FIGHT IT OUT WITH CHE AND WAFA SULTAN for HAVING A MIND OF HER OWN. It would have been like you posting abt homos Im disagreeing and posting it on tiger blog. Make sense? Or maybe you are intimidated by a very smart lioness.

The thing is Shah you have brought this upon your self. I didn’t do a whole I dislike shah post after your homo DID I ?

Im not wasting my time reasoning with a person who doesnt know what a free thinker is and assumes that if people are free thinkers and I quote you because you have brought your linen from your blog here:

''so you're a freethinker. you do not follow the rules of religion; but you follow traffic rules. you do not follow the rules of life; but you follow your office rules. so much for being a "freethinker"...''

WIKIPEDIA: Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds that beliefs should be formed on the basis of science and logical principles and not be compromised by authority, tradition, or any other dogma. Its got to do with religion not crossing roads !

Btw im not a hypocrite. Im openly admitting that Im a non practicing. Does that make me a bad person?

Shah dont be surprised if I see you I will go up to you and be friendly and talk to you becasue im just like that. My hand is still up for a shake.

PS : Its such a lovely day I feel so positive that im gonna do a post!!!! Coz Gregs last time ask me why im not posting as I was once one of the active poster.

Anonymous said...

Known Vivacious for a long long time, she always speak her mind, but in this case she is neither against islam nor with any intention to offend anyone...So chill out shah!

A muslim guy

i'm nick lee, bitch! said...

whens the wedding? i wanna go.

howsurmother? said...

babi julian...next time dowana bring you go bak kut teh..

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